My response to GITF debate, so I can link back to it, cuz it's long.

[timelord1]

d_r_meta asked the following question: It's time to talk The Girl in the Fireplace. Does this episode fit into the overall arc of the series? How about the characterizations?

My answer follows. It's longer than I intended, so I wanted to put it behind a cut. Not knowing how to do that in a comment, I posted it here and will link back to it on the forum. :)


No, I do not think this story fits into the overall arc of the series. The Doctor acts completely out of character, and here are my specific examples for backup.

1 - He would not get that giddy star-struck over a girl that fast. It may have been a lifetime for MdP, but for the Doctor it was a matter of minutes. Intrigued, yes, but falling for her in a few minutes, when he's been so obviously slowly building up to admitting his feelings for Rose? That portrays him as very fickle and completely irresponsible. I say no to this.

2 - He would not leave Rose and Mickey to their own devices on a ship that he knows is patently dangerous just so he can go party with MdP. Again, irresponsible and completely out of character. No way! He would either bring them with him, or he would say thanks but no thanks to MdP. You cannot convince me otherwise. And then to be gone for hours without checking on them? They are his companions - he knows the ship is dangerous. He simply would not do this.

3 - Here's a point a lot of people might overlook because it's a throwaway line. When they ask why they can't pop into the ballroom with the TARDIS and save the day, his answer is "No, we're part of events now" - um. Let's discuss this point. As a writer (as most of y'all are if not all), you know sometimes you want to have a certain moment in a story, but the rest of the plot leads you in a direction where that moment might not make sense, so you force the action of the story to fit the setup for that moment, even if it means abandoning all logic of the established story to do so. Was the Doctor stupid enough to think that clockwork robots were okay in that period of history, but not the TARDIS? Absolutely not! The writer simply did not want to use the easy solution, because he was hoping for the dramatic ride-through-the-mirror sequence. The TARDIS could have gone there easily and they could have saved the day that way, but it wasn't what the writer wanted, so they dismissed the obvious, easiest option.

4 - The ride through the mirror. Going first back to point 2 in my list here, the Doctor would UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES abandon 2 companions on a lifeless spaceship in the middle of nowhere with no way of getting home. Sure they have the TARDIS, but do they know how to pilot it? Do they know how to do a single thing on that ship without his help? He left them there to get trapped in time, and he simply would not do that. Also, he's not going to separate himself so easily from the TARDIS for all time, is he? Even if you want to go with the writer's attempt to say that his relationship with Rose didn't matter that much (if he's so easily drawn away by MdP), his relationship with the TARDIS is paramount and he would not leave the ship behind so easily, either.

5 - Rose. After all this time we've come to love her as a strong woman who is not easily marginalized. Why, then, is she allowed to run along like a good little companion and SHE GOES ALONG WITH IT? She's just mumbling to Mickey about how slightly annoyed she is at the whole thing. Her character is just kind of a side note in this story, and that's not what Rose was ever intended to be in my opinion. AND, there's this weird parent/child thing going on between the Doctor and Rose that just doesn't make sense. One minute the Doctor is all "Run along now, children," which he would NEVER DO TO ROSE, and then the next Rose is chiding him like a naggy fishwife "Look what the cat dragged in, the Oncoming Storm", and then like a mother "You're not keeping the horse!" Their dynamic is off and weird and does not fit at all.

So, yeah, that was a bit of a long post. Sorry.

Comments

[develish1]

well, given I've been a fan for mumble years I suspect I actually do know much more about it than SM ever will, lol

Hubby is quite the geek himself on a lot of things sci fi and horror, and he has one of those minds that seems able to store endless facts like directors names and who did the score and, well you get the idea, but he defers to me on anything Doctor related

I watched the odd ep of Heroes, but never really got into it, plus it clashed with something else when it was first shown here, so I would have had to work at it to try to keep up, and I wasn't invested enough to try